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Another confessional question

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Hello, the Baptist Confession Brains Trust. Another little teaser: taking into account all the previous acknowledgements and caveats about how we treat the Scripture references in the 1677/1689 Confession (here and here, plus the delightful fact that – in the original – the footnotes are letters that point forward across a phrase or clause, or phrases and clauses), what do you make of Chapter 15, “Of Repentance Unto Life”?

Specifically, I have questions about two paragraphs. Paragraph 1 in the original reads as follows:

1.         Such of the elect as are converted at riper years, having asometimes lived in the state of nature,(1) and therein served divers lusts and pleasures,(2) God in their effectual calling giveth them repentance unto life.(3)

a Ti 3.2-5

Titus 3.2-5 reads as follows:

. . . to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit . . .

Taking this into account, would you place the footnote at point (1), (2) or (3), and why?

The second question is similar, and has to do with Paragraph 3, and for the sake of simplicity I have stripped out the extraneous detail:

3.         This saving repentance is an evangelical grace, whereby a person being by the Holy Spirit made sensible of the manifold evils of his sin, doth, by faith in Christ, humble himself for it, with godly sorrow, detestation of it, and self abhorrency; epraying for pardon,(1) and strength of grace, with a purpose and endeavour by supplies of the Spirit, to walk before God unto all well pleasing in all things.(2)

e Ez 36.31; 2Cor 7.11

Again, the two references are as follows:

Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. (Ezk 36.31)

For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter. (2Cor 7.11)

Again, the question is whether you would put the footnote at point (1), at point (2), or at some other point, and why?

I am intrigued by this in part because most modern versions have the annoying habit of simply slapping any given footnote (which in modern versions is a number projecting back rather than a letter projecting forward) at the end of a sentence or paragraph by what seems to be thoughtless default. Anyway, I look forward to answers from any of the usual, and indeed any unusual, suspects.

Written by Jeremy Walker

Saturday 1 June 2013 at 20:56

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  1. You’re making good progress, aren’t you. ;)

    On XV.1 – I’m a little suprised the prooftext begins at Ti 3:2, since it doesn’t really fit the paragraph, while vv. 3-5 do very nicely. On your question of placement, I would go for (3) since the prooftext is cumulative, covering the whole dynamic of the paragraph, not just a part of it.

    On XV.3 – I would stick (i) Ezek 36:31 at “e”; (ii) 2 Cor 7:11 after “the Spirit,”; and (iii) Ps 119:5[sic], 128 at (2). (And therefore, nothing where you have (1).)

    The third note in XV.3 in the 1689 version offers Ps 119:*6* – is that right? You’ll see I have opted for 119:5 above, which at least speaks of “my ways”, much as v. 128 does of hating “every false way” (thus the positive, and negative). (119:1, 3 might seem even “better”, of course, but further from the text as given, and lack that sense of determination of which the clause in XV.3 speaks.)

    FWIW, etc.


    Sunday 2 June 2013 at 19:06

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